Lighting a candle for art

Thelma Holt may be the West End's most daring producer. She spoke to David Lister.

The Independent, 6 December 1991

By David Lister

WHEN THE West End theatre producer Thelma Holt was running the radical London venue, the Roundhouse, in the 1970s, she once interrupted board member Robert Maxwell. "Don't you dare interrupt me," he thundered. "And don't you dare shout at me, you Czech spiv," she retorted and walked out.

Maxwell was flabbergasted. He sent a message through an aide, "I know I come from Czechoslovakia, but why do you call me a spiv?"

She sent a message back: "Because of your plastic shoes."

For the rest of his life whenever he met Miss Holt he would first show her how his footwear taste had improved. He would also hand over an annual cheque for pounds 50,000. One of the lesser known facts about Maxwell was his private sponsorship of West End theatre.

Thelma Holt could be described as the West End's most daring producer and is certainly the only female producer there following the collapse of Biddy Hayward's operation earlier this year. She is now restaging at the Riverside Studios, Hammersmith, Deborah Warner's RSC production of Electra starring Fiona Shawl After that she takes Ninagawa's Tango at the End of Winter to Japan. In that country, where doing business with women is not the norm, she has been awarded an unofficial and not wholly welcome title. "They call me an honorary man," she says, "I thought, gee, thanks a bunch, what a treat. It's like John Osborne, when he sneers at me in his latest book, calling me Ms Holt. I am never, never Ms Holt."

For 58-year-old Miss Holt, being an honorary man is a long journey from the Sixties, when she appeared as a naked Lady Macbeth ("We were all naked in the Sixties") at the Open Space Theatre which she founded with Charles Marowitz. Before that she had studied at RADA alongside Joan Collins and Joe Orton.

At the Roundhouse she brought the best of regional theatre, including Alan Ayckbourn's company, to London. In the Eighties she brought theatre from Japan, Russia, Germany and Sweden to the National, Dustin Hoffman to London to play Shylock for Peter Hall, and last year brought over the Georgian director Robert Sturua to direct her friend Vanessa Redgrave in Three Sisters.

Along the way she has, she claims, discovered talents like the designers Bill Dudley and Bob Crowley and the actress Maria Miles, and she still takes a dominant role in casting. In between she has been to Romania to help Aids babies, and, with Vanessa Redgrave, made a film for UNICEF on the plight of Iraqi mothers and children.

She has also been married three times, the last to American actor David Pressman, whom she "married for his legs". That lasted three weeks.

"I love the actual ceremony, actually getting married. It doesn't work so well after that." The ceremonies certainly linger in her mind more vividly than the marriages. After her last, a friend recalls watching a film on television at her home and seeing her frowning. "I'm sure I recognise that actor," she mused. "Of course, you do," he replied, "you were married to him."

Holt's disarmingly full frontal approach - allied to vividly coloured outfits and ostrich feather hats which look as if they have been culled from thrift shops, as indeed they are--clearly entranced Maxwell. "When I met him," she recalls, "he warned me 'I don't drink, I don't gamble and I don't sleep with women'. I replied that at least we had the third thing in common."

She was certainly the tycoon's most curious foible. His picture adorns her office wall, which in itself is a multimedia event. Epigrams mix with odd juxtapositions of pictures and captions - one photograph, of the actors Ian McKellen, Michael Cashman and Sean Mathias is captioned after the Brontes, Charlotte, Emily and Anne.

"I was at a reception recently," she said, "and Maxwell's sons came up to me and said 'We have been longing to meet you. We want to know what is the secret of the hold you had over our dad.'

"Holt herself cannot explain it, but is seriously worried at the effect his family's financial problems might have on her operations. Already she is cutting down on extravagances. In her office her assistant Sweetpea (Holt nicknamed her after a character in Popeye and she obediently changed her name by deed poll) was sticking together graphics to make posters for Electra.

The play, her first collaboration with Warner and Shaw, opened last night. Every time a play opens, she performs the same ritual--lighting a candle at Brompton Oratory and praying to St Anthony of Padua. (When she was running the Roundhouse, with typical perspicacity about that institution, she made it St Jude, patron of lost causes.) It may also be a good time to light a candle for the continued interest of troubled multi-national companies in theatre.

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